First it was #librem5 that would bring us #gnulinux #mobile. Then we get news of #pinephone and now Im reading how some finnish company #necunos is also bringing their own device running #kdeplasma.

Is this a dream? Am I awake? Future is amazing.

@whirli Let's hope it doesn't all fall apart the way it did in the post-n900 era, where the entire community fragmented and never managed to deliver a real phone.

Delivering a phone based on a *real* GNU/Linux distribution with upstream free software running on it makes the whole prospect more hopeful by a lot though...!

@cwebber oh my beloved N900. I still have mine (with broken USB, of course). I need a keyboard on my phone.

But yeah, you're right about the risk of fragmentation. Fingers crossed that we get couple phones running gnulinux.

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@whirli Ideally, Nokia should have done with Maemo what Google did later with Android. That is, go to other manufacturers and yell "TAKE IT! Take this platform and make your stuff, as many devices as possible! You don't have to worry about writing your own OS anymore, and you don't owe us a thing. It's ready, it's universal, it's versatile, TAKE IT!"

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@drequivalent @cwebber there was a lot of talk about why #nokia ditched #maemo and how that might've been the last nail to their coffin. I remember one of the nokias big fishes being really upset about it. I was upset about it, that's for sure.

@whirli The guy who killed Maemo was Stephen Elop, who was a former high-level Microsoft guy. Incidentally, it just so happens that under his regime Nokia also introduced their lineup of Microsoft Windows Mobile phones, which led to Microsoft acquiring Nokia later.

I'm usually not much into conspiracy theories, but when there's tons of evidence of something happening, then yeah, I get suspicious.

@cwebber

@drequivalent @whirli Yeah I remember that time very clearly and all that playing out :(

@cwebber there's also the fact that Nokia had been flirting with Linux and FOSS for years. Maemo has been around since 2005 on their small tablets. There was a time that Nokia owned Qt. And as Symbian started showing its age a little bit too much, N900 was the first step towards commitment, as it was an actual phone. Then was N9, basically same deal, another step towards real OS oh a phone, now more streamlined and modernized.

But mr. Balmer can't have that, can he.

Microsoft <3 Linux you guys.

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@whirli and as for fragmentation... I don't think it really can be worse than what Android did.

Android basically snapped the Linux ecosystem in half: Posix-compliant, Unix-like GNU Linux on the one side and Android Linux on the other side.

I haven't seen a case of fragmentation worse than this, even between Linux distributions. With a little bit of elbow grease, you can take a binary package from RPM and install it in Debian, and chances are it will run without any significant modification. Worst case scenario, you get the source code and build it. And then there's stuff like Appimages, which hybrid between MacOS X bundles and disk images - just take that one file and run it, it's amazing.

But you don't get to port an application from Unix part to Android and vice-versa, you have to pretty much rewrite it, because of how foreign this whole Android thing is. But yeah, it's still Linux. Not that it matters anymore.

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